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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard the Aztec Inn was taking it over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the Aztec Inn was taking it over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Wynn buys it and finishes it. Las Vegas doe not need another dead resort on the strip. Wynn could buy it, finish the out side where it looks decent and just open in phases. No need to open with a mall and a spa and many other little things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Wynn buys it and finishes it. Las Vegas doe not need another dead resort on the strip. Wynn could buy it, finish the out side where it looks decent and just open in phases. No need to open with a mall and a spa and many other little things.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gomes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gomes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad karma for the F&#039;blue after the Crystal Sands sham condo project was used to fleece the Algiers out of it&#039;s property...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad karma for the F&#8217;blue after the Crystal Sands sham condo project was used to fleece the Algiers out of it&#8217;s property&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex,

I agree with you that that these idiots should never have lent this money in the first place.  Where I disagree with you is that they should be LENDING FBleau any more money.   The Fbleau owners only threw the parts that they didn&#039;t personally guarantee into bankruptcy (the hotel and condos, not the construction company or the retail).  Their lawyers have a different theory of what went wrong in this article.  http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2009/06/08/daily39.html  Basically, they are saying that when they didn&#039;t get the money Lehman promised to build the mall, they skimmed from the hotel to build it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex,</p>
<p>I agree with you that that these idiots should never have lent this money in the first place.  Where I disagree with you is that they should be LENDING FBleau any more money.   The Fbleau owners only threw the parts that they didn&#8217;t personally guarantee into bankruptcy (the hotel and condos, not the construction company or the retail).  Their lawyers have a different theory of what went wrong in this article.  <a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2009/06/08/daily39.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2009/06/08/daily39.html</a>  Basically, they are saying that when they didn&#8217;t get the money Lehman promised to build the mall, they skimmed from the hotel to build it.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleDownNow!</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoubleDownNow!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet the other major players on the Strip are relieved. The last thing they need is even more rooms to hit the Strip this year given the City Center opening in October. In fact I wouldn&#039;t even be surprised if there weren&#039;t some politics involved to delay the Fbleu from opening this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the other major players on the Strip are relieved. The last thing they need is even more rooms to hit the Strip this year given the City Center opening in October. In fact I wouldn&#8217;t even be surprised if there weren&#8217;t some politics involved to delay the Fbleu from opening this year!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the banks should theme the F&#039;blue--they should add a gigantic, outscale Western-town facade to the front of the building and then leave it vacant for a couple of decades. Yes, that is the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the banks should theme the F&#8217;blue&#8211;they should add a gigantic, outscale Western-town facade to the front of the building and then leave it vacant for a couple of decades. Yes, that is the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

The time for the banks to make that assessment has come and gone in my opinion.

If the banks did not want to take on the risk, fair enough, but making that decision AFTER most of the work is done, and mere months before opening is beyond reproach.

The banks should either commit to an endeavor or not.  This half-assed &quot;oh, now we have cold feet&quot; nonsense is a guarantee of failure and has no place in business.  You either follow-through with funding that was expected, or get the hell out of the way.  Namby-pamby, wishy-washy bullshit hurts everyone involved ... far more than a simple denial at the outset would have.

Now they are stuck, at this point through no fault of their own.

Stopping funding on a 70% finished project is a waste of the money they have already lent.  If you think the guys are going to have a hard time paying it back once it opens, what do you think their chances are with a dead construction site?

Of course, this was also an easy way for the banks to snake in and get a mostly-finished project on the cheap.

&quot;Hey, thanks for building all of this, go away now, we&#039;ll take it from here.&quot;

If lenders don&#039;t honor the commitments, I have no idea why debtors should.  The concept of &quot;moral obligations&quot; when dealing with banks is an antiquated concept.

I think you are giving the bank too much credit and not enough blame.

If they waited until near completion to &quot;took one look at the numbers and figured there was no way they would ever get paid off&quot; ... then let&#039;s face it, they weren&#039;t geniuses to begin with.

At this point, I think they should have to follow through.  Especially given that it&#039;s not their goddamn money anyway, and given that much of it doesn&#039;t even exist at all until they lend it.

If the banks were being run by such bright and ethical human beings, then it escapes me as to why the government would have to pluck money out of your paycheck every week at the point of a bayonet and hand it over to a bunch of millionaires, but as usual, I&#039;m sure I&#039;m missing something.

Given the totality of the situation, I think they should be required to follow through on commitments they made.  The time to &quot;take a look at the numbers&quot; is long since passed.

Oversight on the part of the bank should not be the FBlue&#039;s problem to solve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>The time for the banks to make that assessment has come and gone in my opinion.</p>
<p>If the banks did not want to take on the risk, fair enough, but making that decision AFTER most of the work is done, and mere months before opening is beyond reproach.</p>
<p>The banks should either commit to an endeavor or not.  This half-assed &#8220;oh, now we have cold feet&#8221; nonsense is a guarantee of failure and has no place in business.  You either follow-through with funding that was expected, or get the hell out of the way.  Namby-pamby, wishy-washy bullshit hurts everyone involved &#8230; far more than a simple denial at the outset would have.</p>
<p>Now they are stuck, at this point through no fault of their own.</p>
<p>Stopping funding on a 70% finished project is a waste of the money they have already lent.  If you think the guys are going to have a hard time paying it back once it opens, what do you think their chances are with a dead construction site?</p>
<p>Of course, this was also an easy way for the banks to snake in and get a mostly-finished project on the cheap.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, thanks for building all of this, go away now, we&#8217;ll take it from here.&#8221;</p>
<p>If lenders don&#8217;t honor the commitments, I have no idea why debtors should.  The concept of &#8220;moral obligations&#8221; when dealing with banks is an antiquated concept.</p>
<p>I think you are giving the bank too much credit and not enough blame.</p>
<p>If they waited until near completion to &#8220;took one look at the numbers and figured there was no way they would ever get paid off&#8221; &#8230; then let&#8217;s face it, they weren&#8217;t geniuses to begin with.</p>
<p>At this point, I think they should have to follow through.  Especially given that it&#8217;s not their goddamn money anyway, and given that much of it doesn&#8217;t even exist at all until they lend it.</p>
<p>If the banks were being run by such bright and ethical human beings, then it escapes me as to why the government would have to pluck money out of your paycheck every week at the point of a bayonet and hand it over to a bunch of millionaires, but as usual, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
<p>Given the totality of the situation, I think they should be required to follow through on commitments they made.  The time to &#8220;take a look at the numbers&#8221; is long since passed.</p>
<p>Oversight on the part of the bank should not be the FBlue&#8217;s problem to solve.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condos you can&#039;t sell   hotel rooms you can&#039;t recover the cost in 20 years at the $100 a night you can get for a room these days.  The banks took one look at the numbers and figured there was no way they would ever get paid off.  If they could have put it in Chapter 11 three months ago they woud have.  The Citycenter, Harrahs and Station lenders have got to be thinking the same thing.  B of A and Deutsche Bank are going to be the major employers in this town for the next 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condos you can&#8217;t sell   hotel rooms you can&#8217;t recover the cost in 20 years at the $100 a night you can get for a room these days.  The banks took one look at the numbers and figured there was no way they would ever get paid off.  If they could have put it in Chapter 11 three months ago they woud have.  The Citycenter, Harrahs and Station lenders have got to be thinking the same thing.  B of A and Deutsche Bank are going to be the major employers in this town for the next 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: thlf</title>
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		<dc:creator>thlf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone think Wynn might be interested in taking this over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone think Wynn might be interested in taking this over?</p>
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		<title>By: LizzieGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizzieGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle:  Yeah.  What you said, exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle:  Yeah.  What you said, exactly.</p>
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