Chop Once, Chop Always
May 7, 2009
It’s that time of month. The beginning. It is time to avoid the fluff house games for a little while, and get my poke on.
This morning, I had the Wynn in my crosshairs. I had to be there later that day to meet with someone, and it was simply a room of opportunity.
Of course, I also like the Wynn room. Who doesn’t?
The only gripe I have about the room is the $3 chips. The reason that I do not like them is because an unusual number of poker players have trouble with multiplication. So much so, that it is not uncommon for people at a 1/3 game to bet “chips”.
Often when you are sitting at the table, some guy will grab 5 off the top, and say “I raise five chips”, instead of “I raise $15”. Sometimes I get confused looking in the pot. My mind is programmed to process 1’s, 5’s, and 25’s, but when they are mixed in with 3’s, it gives me head problems.
Aside from that, it’s a great room.
Unfortunately, I only had an hour to play, and I was 45 minutes into my session without making any real money. I was actually down a little due to blind erosion. I would have been down more, but I won a small pot early on with two pair. As it stood, I was in the hole for maybe 5%, but hey, it’s better than getting wiped out.
I decided to play through one more big blind. I always leave one or two hands after my blinds. I may play hit-and-run, but that’s fair in my opinion. Someone went up against me and lost fair and square.
I consider it somewhat discourteous to leave because of an impending blind, though. It’s like peeing on the toilet seat and not wiping it off. You know someone behind you is going to have to deal with it. Say what you want about my manners, but I never abandon my blinds. Even if I win big right before the blind, I will often throw my chips down for the blinds … and then leave after I play the button.
I had already gotten my things together, and was preparing to leave when I posted the big blind and mucked. I was ready to play my final hand in the small, and was dealt 2-2.
As luck would have it, they were unsuited. I don’t know why, but this always happens to me. For once in my life I would like to get a suited pair. Just once. Alas, like the elusive Royal Flush, it has never happened.
The hand was mucked around to the small blind, and I was ready to “chop chop”. I always chop if I can. As soon as the button folded, I turned and said “chop?”, and without looking at me or saying anything, the guy in front of me fired $15 into the pot.
Of course, it is his right to do so, but I still thought him a total douche factory.
Why?
Because he chopped earlier in the session, in the same situation (me big, him small). I had A-10 when I chopped. Not a stellar hand, but playable heads-up. It was almost certainly better than what he was holding. It is considered proper etiquette to be consistent in chopping. Your cards are not supposed to determine the chop. Either chop always, or chop never.
Also, since I had chopped before, and verbally declared it again, the guy knew I was prepared to throw my hand away. It was a rather cheap ploy for stealing the big blind.
Usually … holding pocket 2’s, I will always fold to any kind of sizable bet. It’s a pair, but barely. As a matter of fact, it is only a 65% heads-up favorite to the worst starting hand (7-2 offsuit), and is a tie with unsuited connectors … such as 4s-5d.
It is not a hand to call with.
However, annoyance got the best of me. Since I keep my eye only on the money, this rarely happens … but I didn’t want the theft to take place. I was actually going to reward the guy by paying him for more than the big blind. I was, and in retrospect still am, an idiot.
I called.
The flop came A-Q-2, two cards suited.
I lucked out and hit a set, but I was still in jeopardy. My opponent appeared confident. And ugly. And his butt smelled of orangutang pecker. Let’s just say I didn’t like him.
He seemed to be calculating what he thought I would call. He settled on $30, or as it is known at the Wynn, “10 chips”.
I wasn’t ecstatic with my hand, but I’m not going to fold trips at this point when I still beat anything except Queens, Aces, and a flush draw.
Call.
Turn … A.
Douche went all in.
I thought about it for awhile. He could still have Queen’s, Aces, Ace-Queen … I could be drawing dead.
Still, you just don’t fold a boat on the turn unless you know you’re beat, and I didn’t know that I was beat. I didn’t know what he had. This started out as a blind steal. He could have fired with anything thinking I had a lame chop hand.
I called, which put me all-in as well.
The river was a 7 of something. Since I beat any flush, I didn’t care what it was.
It was showcase showdown time. Douche wanted me to show first.
This is another one of my pet peeves. Why do people care who shows first??? It doesn’t matter. No more cards are coming. Flip the damn things over and get on with life already. Why do you slow-flippers do this? Once the betting is over … flip them over immediately. What in the hell do you people think is going to happen? A fairy pixie is going to come down and change your losing hand into a winner if you hold onto them long enough? Jesus The Shortstop Christopher Columbus Christ Almighty Farting in the Manger … Flip the damn things!
I digress.
I flipped my 2-2 for a full house, and my opponent … exclaimed “Asshole!”, then mucked.
Asshole?
What did I do?
I wanted to chop!
Homeboy shot himself squarely in the gonads, and it was my fault?
I have no earthly idea what he had, I just know it couldn’t beat two’s full.
So, let’s recap. This guy chopped, he later refused to chop, he tried to snake my blinds after I declared that I wanted to chop, he refused to show his cards … and I’m the asshole? This type of crap is why the French hate us.
Now … I usually don’t gloat. Actually, I never gloat. I don’t feel compelled. The money is the reward. Just this once, though, I made an exception.
“You sure you don’t want to chop?”, I said. Mind you, I’m not one to be sarcastic, but I made an exception this once.
He mumbled something about my mother and I having carnal relations, collected the chips he had remaining, got up , left the table, and left the room. He didn’t even stop at the podium or cashier. He just vanished. My guess is that he was looking for a dog to kick.
I was kind of glad that he left, because it made my leaving with his money after the next hand easier.
I tossed the dealer a couple of chips, and the dealer said “thanks … and thanks for taking that guy’s money”, motioning to the vacant seat beside me. This elicited a round of chuckles from the rest of the table. “That guy is a real piece of work”, one of them said. “He’s a d**khead” another said. Apparently, his reputation preceded him.
Anyway, to sum it up, because of someone else’s discourtesy and assholery, I reached my goal for the day. I came away with slightly less than double my initial stake, but close enough to call it as such.
I also walked away with a smile. It does feel like gloating to say so, but it was kind of fun.
As a player, I like to think that Poker is all about the money, but I have to admit, sometimes beating an unpleasant player is almost as fun as winning the pot itself.
Almost.







Written by Cory on May 7, 2009 at 9:08 pm
exactly what should happen when someone is aware of common poker courtesy and decides not to chop. Poker Gods were def watchin….. and fwiw theres 0% chance he didn’t have AK there
Written by tully on May 8, 2009 at 2:05 am
Always satisfying to watch the poker gods administer a good spanking to an idiot—more so when the dealer pushes idiot’s chips to you in a nice sized pot. WP.
Written by Carlos on May 8, 2009 at 5:44 am
What a jerk! I can only imagine the crap this guy puts people through on a daily basis. I was relieved that you won that pot, if not I would have been in a shitty mood all day. Yeah, I hate those slow flippers too. Just flip your damn cards already!
Written by Michelle on May 8, 2009 at 5:48 am
Sweet win and story! Those wins are the most satisfying wins of all.
Written by Huddler on May 8, 2009 at 10:58 am
Nice win. I know that I am A LOT looser card player than you, but I am calling “heads up” in the blinds with a small pocket pair against everyone except the rockiest of nits. I always chop without even looking, but in your spot there, I would have smoothed called it like you did when he made that trick bag move. Or I might have said fuck it, looked at my cards, and raised him all in pre-flop. When the A hit the board on the turn and he shoves, I would have put him on a big A, probably Slick. Maybe top two with AQ at best. The worst he might have is AJ, but he definitely was paired by A. That doesnt feel like he has you beat. Would he have raised to 15 with AA or QQ? Thats way too much heads up. This feels alot more like a big A to me. When he moved in, I would have beaten him into the pot with my stack. No way can you lay your set down in that spot UNLESS you know him to be a complete rock who would never go up and in with anything but the nuts.
When he called me a name under his breath, I would definitely have said something to him. And I would have brought up the whole not chopping bullshit. I would have embarrased him in front of the table. Dont get in an insult contest with me at poker table, you cant win. Great job!
Written by roger on May 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I’ve had a similar incident happen to me a while back but I wasn’t so lucky. The other guy, a big loudmouth, beat my 2 pair w/ a flush on the river.
Written by Marty Allen on May 8, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Great story Rex. And excellent retort to the douchehole; witty, classy and far more insulting than any name calling. I might have added a simple “You have a nice day now” as he was getting up from the table.
Written by nikie on May 9, 2009 at 6:17 am
What a glorious feeling that must have been! Great story, but arrghhh.. what did he have?? I wished you would have insisted that he showed his cards first, I always hate it when the story doesn’t tell that. Did you know by the way that in the Netherlands chop chop is not allowed at the official pokertables at Holland Casino (only place where it is legal to play poker for money). It is call or fold for the small blind.
Great blog by the way, i have been reading for weeks already
Written by Rex on May 9, 2009 at 10:41 am
Thanks for the congrats. I was fairly happy, and the guy took care of Nevada Power for me this month.
As far as saying something mean to him, I never do it. First, I really don’t care enough about random people for them to have the power to upset me. If I let people who called me names get to me, I would never be able to read my email. I get called names all day long. It evokes no emotional response from me, because I simply don’t care. I do regret being annoyed enough to call his bet, and probably won’t do it again, but I am happy with this outcome.
Second, never, ever, ever get in an altercation with anyone in a Vegas casino if you can avoid it (or in Las Vegas period). Sure, you may be 100% in the right, but it doesn’t matter. Being right is of no consolation when you are sitting in CCDC and crapping in a communal toilet while waiting to make bail and waiting while they review the security tapes and sort the mess out. Unless it is for the sheer protection of life or limb … shut up and walk away. Let them call you what they want.
I know people who have been in jail because they had to get the last word, and they vowed that they would never let it happen again. CCDC is hell on earth. Take the insult, but don’t take the bait. I can’t think of one asshole that is worth a 24 hour stay in that building.
As far as making him show, the reason I don’t do this is because some people misread their hands. I have seen with my own two eyes other people make a big deal about having their opponent show, only to find that they were beaten and the opponent didn’t know.
I actually mucked losers once or twice when I started out, and I have flipped over some winners while getting ready to walk away. Especially when tired or in a bad mood. This is why I ALWAYS flip, even if I KNOW I am beat. IMHO, always let the dealer double-check your hand. It can’t hurt. Maybe I missed the fact that I had a straight. It happens.
I never contest a forfeiture. I keep my eye on the prize … the money. Requesting a show (which they usually don’t have to do anyway) carries with it some risk.
If I had to guess, I would put him on big slick. That was my inclination.
There is no way I will ever know, but my assumption will forever be that he was holding at least an Ace.
Written by LuvinLasVegas on May 9, 2009 at 11:26 am
Great call and great attitude. If I had to guess, I would say that he was holding an ace also, just from his sheer over confidence. But then, no one but that guy will ever know, maybe he was bluffing. Either way, like you said, keep your eye on the prize which is the money.
Written by Jim Brownlee on May 10, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I always chop in a rake game and ask the people on either side if they chop. If they hum and haw or say depends then I play them the same as I do when in a session game. The casino I usually play at has a 1-2 game with a $100 max buyin. They take $3 as soon as there is a pot and a lot of newbies play in this type of game. If I feel the guy beside me is a newbie I try to point out the fact that the house takes 3 bucks out of our 4 so unless your a complete moron why bet two to win one. Actually I have to be a complete moron to even play at this table but it is usually so juicy I can’t help it.
The other casino takes a session fee so if someone wants to chop thats fine but if they dont do it once then dont expect me to do it the next time.